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Post by Dana on Jul 6, 2005 0:40:11 GMT -5
As a teenager, I remember learning that God had to have married Mary, so that Christ's conception wouldn't be improper. Several of the prophets have said that there was nothing mystical about the conception of Christ and that he was conceived in the natural way. It bothered me at the time, but I'm bad about putting things that bother me about doctrine out of my mind.  It recently came up in my mind again, and I discussed it with my husband, and he had never heard of it. When I showed him the documentation, he was just as confused as I have been. How could it be a virgin birth if he was conceived the natural way? And how could Mary have been married to God and Joseph? Women weren't allowed to have more than one spouse, right? Can anyone clarify this any?  |
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Post by babydawn on Jul 12, 2005 13:46:32 GMT -5
I don't know what documentation you are looking at, but the only scipture accounts say that the conception took place by the power of the Holy Ghost. That is all the information we are given in the scriptures.
Now in my personal opinion, surely, if God can create everything that we know of, this particular situation we need to take on faith, and believe that through his power ALL things are possible, including a VIRGIN birth. Which obviously means that Christ was not concieved the "natural way." I do not mean this in any sort of a vindictive way, but when you hear things that seem sketchy, your best bet for answers is the scriptures, that is our doctrine. Of course what we hear from the prophets as well, as long as your sources come from the Ensign or the conference talks. I have heard so much "mormon rumor" that takes a fraction of what a prophet has said and stretches incorrectly. I have also had seminary and church teachers, teach "personal opinion" or "mormon rumor" as doctrine, which of course is also incorrect. I hope that I have helped you in some way.
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Post by Dana on Jul 29, 2005 23:27:29 GMT -5
www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/qa/virgin_mary.htmThis is an attempt to explain it. I get so frustrated with Sunday School teachers who don't know what they're talking about. There have been several instances in our current class where my husband and I will look at each other in that, "Umm...no" way. Even General Authorities have made statements in teaching that aren't right. Bruce R McConkie is a prime example. So many people turn to his book Mormon Doctrine, but I've seen statements from him where he's had to retract things he wrote. And of course, everybody just refers to the book as "The Doctrine According to Bruce." Then there's some disturbing things that Brigham Young said. The Church's response is that a prophet's words should only be taken as doctrine if he's speaking as a prophet, but how were people supposed to know when he was speaking as a man and when he was speaking as a prophet when he was giving a sermon? www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/index.htmThis is a really good site that answers a lot of the questions, but sometimes it still feels kinda like there's holes somewhere. I've also gotten a lot of help from the BYU website. ldsfaq.byu.edu/ and farms.byu.edu/ I'm still researching. I feel like I know so little. 
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Post by babydawn on Aug 1, 2005 10:46:47 GMT -5
Ultimately, if you still have questions, you should (and always) take those questions to the Lord in sincere, honest prayer. He will let you know what is right and what it wrong regardless of the source, be it Sunday school, scripture, or the prophets. The book Mormon Doctrine needs to only be used in the context it was written, which is to help people (like me) understand things I may not get in the scriptures....it is never to be used AS scripture, and I don't believe Bruce R. McConkie wanted it to be. We all need to search out the things which are good and try to work on our testimonies every day, otherwise they will fade. I think it is good that you are searching for the truth, but please don't search for falseness in the church. It is okay to have questions, I have them myself all of the time. I am going to tell you what my father has told me, (he is very learned in the scriptures and mormon doctrine [not the book]), the scriptures are our doctrine, we need to search them out and pray for understanding. I believe our Heavenly Father gives answers to those who are sincerely looking. I know that often I feel as though I don't get answers to my prayers, and that requires me to do more searching. Remember when you are searching though, that if you go beyond the scriptures, that humans are humans and are prone to err, where as the gospel of Jesus Christ is perfect. Our Heavenly Father wants us to find out for ourselves if the church is true, this takes faith, study, and fervent prayer.
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Post by Polynesian Mormon Kuy on Sept 14, 2005 13:19:16 GMT -5
Whoever wrote da symbols and stuff must be very ignorant and that kind of humor shouldnt be welcomed here.
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Post by UsoMamona on Oct 2, 2005 0:23:22 GMT -5
Hello there. Here's my 2cents. A woman is a virgin until something in her sexual organ is broken by a man's sexual organ. Right? That's what we know as "physically" reproduce, as far as we are concern. Now, are other ways in which a womans egg and be inseminated without braking that part of a woman? With the advances in science, will it possible to doing that? For a God, are there limits for impregnating a woman without doing what we're all familiar with? Just asking.
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Post by sin2001 on Oct 20, 2005 14:07:21 GMT -5
Ok in general. I am taught that. Jesus was born to a Virgin. No Holy Spirit came down and impregnated Mary and I do that in the Original Book of Mormon that it is taught that. Mary was Married to God and basically making Mary Polygamist while on Earth basically saying for the earthly Life Joseph gets to be married to her. However when She Dies then She goes to God. It has been changed in the Book of Mormon for todays teachings. It seems that many times the Mormon church changes The Book Of Mormon.
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It recently came up in my mind again, and I discussed it with my husband, and he had never heard of it. When I showed him the documentation, he was just as confused as I have been. How could it be a virgin birth if he was conceived the natural way? And how could Mary have been married to God and Joseph? Women weren't allowed to have more than one spouse, right? Can anyone clarify this any? 
